Monday, 5 October 2009

STAN COLLYMORE UPSET BY 'SO CALLED' LIVERPOOL FANS



IT APPEARS I might have upset so-called football pundit Stan 'The Man' Collymore.

That's Stan Collymore, the ex-professional footballer, paid to provide us mere fans with his insight into the game he once played and, according to him, knows so much about.

Last week, Collymore in his Daily Mirror column, reeled off the cliched 'Liverpool are a two-man team' line. To which I offered a considered reply: 

"How original. Surely as an ex-professional footballer you could offer some more insight than this Stan?

This boring old 'two-man team' criticism has been bandied around since the summer.

Have you not noticed the form of Yossi Benayoun (two assists on Saturday, three goals against Burnley)? Dirk Kuyt has also been weighing in with goals and assists, as usual, not to mention the flying start to the season from Glen Johnson.

Change the record, eh?"

This week he's having a pop again, and in classic playground told-you-so style, cites the defeat to Fiorentina as evidence that he was right.

And he clearly doesn't like people questioning his judgement:

"Maybe the so-called fans who suggest I was talking out of my a*** are not so critical now."
Well Stan, this so-called fan is just as critical of your latest dose of drivel.

Instead of taking cheap shots at the club you once played for and giving us cut and paste arguments about its flaws, why not offer something different to what's already out there?

How about a positive analysis on what Benayoun can provide different to Liverpool's other midfielders? Or why Albert Riera needs to step up his game?

You know, something that makes interesting reading, something that shows some research and thinking has gone into it.

But that doesn't get hits does it Stan? It doesn't fire people up like myself who are sick to the back teeth of reading lazy journalism. And the main thing - it doesn't get people talking about YOU, does it Stan?
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Richard Buxton · 805 weeks ago

Spot on yet again Robbo. Maybe someone should have a word with him next time he's in the press box.
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LFC tlll I die · 805 weeks ago

The first time I read stan cloumen, and then take cheep shot at liverpool, I promies my self that I will never read anything of him....and I my happy that I keept my promise.

So I want you all to do the same.....before you open any post see if it is Stan how wrote it.....
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dirk · 805 weeks ago

collymore is totally absolutely spot on. i love liverpool but the problem is the dumb manager. a person who does not ever learn from his mistakes is a moron. a person who makes mistakes and then blame others for the mistakes is a rat and loser. rafa benitez is a moronic loser of a rat manager. did you hear his delusional comments after the chelsea loss? why in the world is lucas still in the team? he did absolutely nothing at all.
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dirk · 805 weeks ago

mourinho and ferguson would have yanked the lousy players off and changed the formation once they are losing. or admit that they played poorly and just accepted it. rafa does what? he sticks to his system -- ie, play to not lose (how often does that ever work against top teams) -- and basically wears the players down until they lose all their confidence and forces them to play it his way or not play at all. players who go to other teams improve in skill and technical ability and become better players. at liverpool, the majority of them get shot down and play worst. need examples? just look at the players who go on international duty and see how they perform for their country and how they perform at liverpool. nuff' said.
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dirk · 805 weeks ago

did you hear what ancelotti said after they lost to wigan? accept your failure and move on. but you need to be man enough to do so. not delusional and say you played better (there are new devices called televisions around these days), and certainly don't blame your players for an ill conceived tactical game and player selection. that is what i expect. you think kenny dalglish would say what rafa said? or the old man at united, or the wanker? nope, guess not.
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anon · 805 weeks ago

there you go again dirk, repeating these tired myths about lfc.
you say lucas didn't play well, which makes me doubt you even saw the game. he was one of the few players who looked up for it. gerrard was poor, torres was poor, riera was awful, kuyt was bad and mascherano was unimaginative and wasteful. lucas did his job well, he broke up play and made simple passes. he tracked back well and his tackles going forward gave us a couple of opportunities when every other lfc player was stepping back and giving up.
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anon · 805 weeks ago

i've seen the ratings. it's a shame that liverpool fans, and others, will stick to the same convenient routine of blaming lucas. he's become unpopular because of a series of underwhelming and occasionally very poor performances last season but he's clearly a changed player. liverpool fans are unwilling to take a proper look at the team and criticise other players. one page which rated the players gave gerrard a 7/10 for yesterday's performance. is that realistic? gerrard was awful, one of the worst players on the pitch. he wasted opportunities at corners and at a freekick with bad deliveries and a wasteful shot. his passing was below par, he wasn't tracking back nearly enough or covering when he should have been. he barely got in the area and drifted out of position constantly. the 7/10 rating is an example of why you shouldn't accept the opinions of other fans as some kind of confirmation.
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anon · 805 weeks ago

You say:
"this dumb coach doesnt know what to do, or for some stupid reason did not anticipate that the other team may play a mano e mano defense on gerrard and therefore never trained him and the team to deal with that situation, eaving him ineffectual and therefore destroying any rhythm and option for the team."

This is the whole point of Gerrard's positioning, and of the way he plays when he plays best. He plays behind the striker, and often behind advanced wingers, BECAUSE he's going to get picked up and marked there. He draws defenders to create space in front of him. Benayoun has been learning Gerrard's little tricks in this space and is much improved because of it, running towards the half way line in order to pull defenders out of position and get behind them. What both Gerrard and Benayoun are great at is quick passes, which is why this technique of pulling defenders out of position has made Gerrard one of the most effective amfs around. Defenders have to close him because he has a lethal shot from that sort of range, allowing Torres or Kuyt/Riera (+Johnson/Insua) the space ahead of him.
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anon · 805 weeks ago

You say Rafa is not tactically gifted. I think this is naive. Ok so we've only won two trophies under him and the closest we've got to the premier league is second. But what do you think of our team for the last 5 seasons? Was it a title winning squad? He's earned a reputation as being tactically intelligent from disarming stronger teams. As the squad has improved his tactics have been less defensive but over the years we've won many a game against better opposition through Rafa's detailed tactical management.

"It is one thing to be loyal, another to say it is ok for a 'just ok' player to be in the team and excusing the continuing stream of mistakes by this uselessly arrogant manager."

1) Nobody is saying that. What we ARE saying is that as a supporter you should encourage the best from the squad. Lucas is a player who I believe deserves our confidence. He plays with desire and is improving visibly every game. Why undermine him with (often misguided) criticisms? I seriously doubt your opinions are in any way informed, you barely seem to have seen Lucas play, which makes your criticisms even more unfair.

2)List this stream of mistakes? Or better yet name a manager who could get more out of our squad? Who could have managed us to the victories we have had?

One defeat away from home to a stronger side brings out the really shitty liverpool fans. It's embarrassing.
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des · 804 weeks ago

Oh My Goodness. This manager Rafa the Idiot does it again! What the hell is he doing at Sunderland with the line-up? Giving away the midfield again!!?? Crap, this almost certainly means we are playing for a draw or loss. I HATE THIS IDIOT.
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robbohuyton 61p · 804 weeks ago

Care to elaborate? What team should he have played? Apart from Mascherano and Lucas swapping places, for me that was exactly the team Rafa should have picked. The players have to shoulder some blame too, you know.
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des · 804 weeks ago

Robbo. A moron you are. Any team that gives up its midfield will almost certainly lose. You are a moron and a stupid blind supporter. The manager is an idiot. Who were the creators in the game? And did you see Aurelio play? He sucks worse than the manager. Have we won this season with him starting? Lucas who usually sucks I must say got a bit of confidence from starting for Brazil. See how Dunga uses him? He plays well for Brazil, but usually sucks for 'Pool (except for the first time against Sunderland). All this comes down to the manager's fault. The manager ruins the players. And Anon, you are a bigger idiot and moron than Robbo. Gerrard and Torres says he brings the best out of them. Of course. Last season. Your brain conveniently forget that this idiot manager used Gerrard incorrectly for seasons on end? Played Carra at left and right back? Changed line-ups on a weekly basis? You people are all idiots and morons -- how quickly you forget. Stupid bunch of asses all of you. I can't wait for Gillet to sell his share to the arabian terrorist funder so that he can come in and sack this Rafa Bentiez;s ass back to Spain.
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des · 803 weeks ago

Like I said, idiot coach, dumb tactics, stupid substitutions -- lost again. Time to fire his ass. When he cocks up the selection and the tactical plan for this weekend and we lose again, I wonder what you bunch of losers will still defend this loser of a manager.
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robbohuyton 61p · 803 weeks ago

You know what "Des" it is actually possible to make your point without being a complete bell-end. Just a thought like...
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des · 803 weeks ago

like ... what. i said it then and i say it now. liverpool would be MAD NOT TO SACK the manager. his time is up. his tactics (although already poor to begin with) are not surprising anybody and smart teams know how to make things difficult for liverpool. steve bruce, for instance, has had the better of benitez consistently. STEVE BRUCE!!! and just look at benitez's record vs the top 4 clubs. it has been abysmal! last year was an aberration (1 out of 5); when he does it consistently, we can talk, but since that doesnt happen very often, his track record is undeniably poor against the top teams.

he is arrogant, has illusions of grandeur, is slow to make changes (i would say he is scared to), and almost always gets out maneuvered tactically (see all the draws we got last year with teams who set out to get a draw against us ...and contrast that with man utd or chelsea who kill teams who try to draw against them).

this is not a good tactical coach. he record is poor as evidenced by the losses against the top teams and the bottom teams. the only chance he has is if he plays against the middle of the table squads who are poor defensively who think they can score on liverpool. against good defensive teams and poor teams, his plans are often poorly thought out and as a result, executed.

sack him and do it now. we cut our losses early and prepare for next season. we are not man utd. they have the idiot alex ferguson who is unafraid to shake things up and change the system. benitez is so stubborn it is always his way or the highway. how has that worked for us this season? and remember all the seasons past where he kept that stupidly irritating and highly inefficient rotation policy?

as much as you get tired of hearing the same complaints, i am sick of seeing his dumb coach make the same crappy mistakes over and over again.

i do however stand corrected, robbo, about lucas for the game at slumberland. he played well. he played like he did for brazil midweek. he probably got a whole load of confidence starting for brazil. now, let's hope your stupid manager doesnt demoralize him such that he loses that confidence again and play like he did at chelski.

see, unlike rafa idiotez, i can admit that i am wrong. you think you can get that from your manager?
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des · 802 weeks ago

hey robbo, if you watched the fulham game, perhaps you were thinking 'what was rafa thinking?' when he put voronin in and had benayoun on the right?

rafa is like a cancer in the liverpool body. he might occassionally give you moments of genius, but eventually he (the cancer) will make you really sick, will never let you live to your full potential and eventually kill you.

sack him and sack him now. better pain now than later.

anyone who understands military strategy (or been to war college) will understand what i mean. for the rest of you, go read the art of war and maybe you will wake up from our collective nightmare.

i have to restate though that since dunga gave lucas a start for the brazil national team, he has been quite good. even in fulham, although he did have some clumsy moments (then again, so did most of the team, especially kuyt ... who should've just let the ball go out of bounds).

it was another what was he thinking moment. see, rafa's lunacy and bad decision making is influencing his players on the pitch!
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des · 790 weeks ago

so 3 months ago i wrote on this site that rafa benitez should be fired and every one of you -- sans stan collymore -- disagreed.

i wonder how many of you still feel that this manager is the answer?

i said it then and i say it now: this manager must go. he is a cancer and if we are to heal, and keep our best players, we have to dumb this idiot of a loser. 6 wins in 22 now. just simply pathetic and sad for a club like liverpool.

dumb rafa benitez.
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robbohuyton 61p · 789 weeks ago

1-1 that la. And you keep going on about Benitez, but what about the bigger picture? If he goes, then what? Who do we get in? What money will they have to spend? Whatever you think of the manager, there's bigger problems at the club.
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des · 789 weeks ago

if he goes to juve, maybe we can do a swop and get ciro ferrara. young hot blooded italian with plenty of passion. at least he will use aquilani properly.

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