Tuesday, 20 January 2009

BITTERS HAVE RUINED THE DERBY

Believe it or not, this is the Gwladys Street - what chance a Liverpool fan wearing colours in there now? Equally, I remember Blues standing on the Kop - and celebrating their goals. No chance of that now.

THERE'S no doubt in my mind now - the Merseyside derby now has the dubious honour of being the most bitter, vile and spiteful match in English football.
We've had the well-documented catalogue of shame from both sets of supporters: songs about players' children, spitting at players, assaulting stewards, Heysel references - from songs to "wall pushing" gestures, Munich songs directed at Phil Neville and so on...
But tonight I witnessed some new sights, unprecedented in my 20 years of following the Reds.
Following Everton's late equaliser, Blues and Reds spilled onto Anfield Road.
Given the increased bitterness of the derbies perhaps this was naive from a policing and stewarding perspective.
Manchester United fans, for example, would have been forced to stay behind to allow the crowds to disperse and dilute the opportunity for trouble.
The same happens when Liverpool fans go to Old Trafford.
That didn't happen at Anfield tonight - but that doesn't excuse the behaviour.
As I made my way out having been in the upper tier of Anfield Road, I was confronted by jubilant Everton fans. To be expected - especially given their near pitch invasion after Tim Cahill's goal.
What I didn't expect was to see an Everton fan pulling at a Liverpool fan's hair and calling him a "paki". I didn't expect to see an Everton fan screaming "slag" in the face of a girl wearing red. And I didn't expect to see a brawl break out between Liverpool and Everton fans yards from the memorial for the Hillsborough disaster.
Other so-called fans tried to provoke and intimidate - one screaming, and I'm not exaggerating, "YES" in the faces of any fan he could identify as being a Red.
Disgraceful.
The moron count at the match seems to be getting ever higher. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a bit of "banter". Always have done, always will do.
But this isn't banter. Banter is funny, a laugh - clever, witty.
Quite honestly I don't see it returning, not to the derby - because to be witty, you need wit.
And wit is, and I quote: "a message whose ingenuity or verbal skill or incongruity has the power to evoke laughter."
Not much evidence of that at derby games these days.
Finally, I heard rumours of "planned" attacks on Liverpool fans in Stanley Park for Sunday's FA Cup clash.
Two words: sad bastards.

32 comments:

The View From Flagpole Corner said...

According to Merseyside Police only five arrests were made and one was because someone had breached a banning order. Says it all really. They boast about the numbers being low yet they let racist and anti-social behaviour go unnoticed. This will happen again on Sunday, regardless of the outcome, mark my words. A sad state of affairs. Liverpool Unites? Don't hold your breath. Especially if last night's events are anything to go by.

Dave Molyneux said...

That fucking shocking behaviour. So much for the bizzies giving out these jaaag warnings to fans before the game that any misbehaviour will be dealt with immediately.

Had to laugh at some of the bitters in the pub when that horrible niggling twat Cahill scored though, then again, they have a point from 1 of their 2 cup finals they have this week so, bless eh?

Everton: the epitome of blandness & irrelevance in the world of football. I actually thought we were playing Stoke again at some point last night!!!

Also I had to laugh at Gollum’s comment last week saying “it’s only the big clubs who get the decisions”!!! hahahaha, the man is a walking contradiction!! Blert

robbohuyton said...

Don't think the police are arsed in all honesty. As long as the match itself is policed to a satisfactory standard - and therefore their image isn't tarnished on TV - they're happy. I noticed a fella there last night with his son telling a bobby about the fools kicking off on Annie Road - he basically shrugged his shoulders.

Stuey said...

Until liverpool fans stop just writing it all off as one sided 'bitterness' by Evertonians it's just going to get worse. Your club went howling to the media about Everton fans piling abuse onto Gerrad on the same day as Elephant Man songs rung arounf Anfield and our skipper was actually punched by a fan. It's not red v blue, it's poper fans v knobs.

robbohuyton said...

Agree that there are "supporters" on both sides who have caused problems - and if you read the post properly you would see I refer to that. However, the incident in question that I witnessed was caused by Everton fans.

Dave Molyneux said...

Bit of a difference between calling Lescott 'Peanut Head' and shouting chants about Hillsborough mate

As for Neville getting smacked he fucking deserves it for the amount of shcoking tackles he puts in during 90 minutes of each derby he's played in.

Must break your heart to know your capatin is a manc and ours is from Huyton as well eh??

Stuey said...

Dave, that's just pathetic. Why would that break my heart? Did seeing Stevie G in his boyhood Everton kit break yours?

Does Gerrard deserve assaulting for the Campbell, Naysmith and Carsley tackles?

And Re: Lescott it was "The Elephant Man". I'm not feigning indignation about it...I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy

My point is that it's just a case of ever decreasing circles...it's just too easy to just blame it all on us "bitters" when the spit and tea (and worse) are raining down from the Upper Anfield Road or your manager is making petty little digs to deflect attention from his own short-comings.

We're all to blame...Fans from either side who turn a blind eye to it deserve what they get when it comes back the other way.

Dave Molyneux said...

Stu, I’ve heard the same shit coming out of the mouths of Blue for years & years mate. I’m not blaming you skipper, you know that, but like we have all mentioned here every club has their ‘bad apples’, but even you must have noticed the atmosphere has changed at the derbies over the last few years for the worse? Look at yesterday for example when Gerrard was taking a corner!! He had to have 20 stewards around him to stop him from being twatted. Tell me when was the last time you seen that happen at a Merseyside derby mate?

I also remember ages ago with the ‘Nigger-pool’ songs I used to hear from a particular nasty piece of work who used to bevy around Huyton. He soon piped down when Amokachi & Yobo turned up I can tell ye. Can remember the last time racist chants were heard coming from the kop. Can you?

robbohuyton said...

Stu - I was in the Anfield Road upper for the league derby - nothing was thrown...fact.

Stuey said...

Without this degenerating into a accusatory slanging match I am just saying that there's no point in writing big long blog posts about bitter blues ruining the friendly derby whilst just laughing off and in fact revelling in incidents like Neville getting slapped.

There is a problem but it won't be solved by just blaming one side.

robbohuyton said...

Stu, again, I would ask you to re-read what I have written.

Within the first few sentences: "the Merseyside derby now has the dubious honour of being the most bitter, vile and spiteful match in English football. We've had the well-documented catalogue of shame from both sets of supporters"

So that's:

a)Not in anyway suggesting the derby is friendly
b)Not blaming one side

And I have neither "laughed off" or "revelled" in anything.

The blog was written out of concern at what I had witnessed. End of.

Stuey said...

When you used the term "bitters" you knew exactly what you were saying and where you were implying the the blame lay.

Reporting vague rumours about planned attacks for the Cup game doesn't exactly show balance either.

I think broadly we are on the same side of the fence regardless of what colour we both wear though. I'd have loved this 3 games to pass off as a city wide event we could all be proud of...especially given the place we are both occupying at the moment. If it's going to happen the likes of you and me need to take a step away from the knobheads instead of closing ranks with them.

robbohuyton said...

bitter (ANGRY)
adjective
1 describes a person who is angry and unhappy because they cannot forget bad things which happened in the past:

Yeah I see what you mean...

Stuey said...

Any definitions of "Self righteous", "deluded" or "denial"?

BTW Everton's head steward was grateful for the tip the other night

http://www.evertonfc.com/assets/_files/cached/img/221x266/feb_09/NFRENC_040209_205807_0_0222_r464630.jpg

http://www.evertonfc.com/assets/_files/cached/img/239.15606936416x302/feb_09/PBYRNE_040209_210251_0_0181_r464628.jpg

robbohuyton said...

Yeah, they seem to define you quite nicely mate.

It's quite simple, if you don't like what I write, don't read it - that's the beauty of the internet.

As for posting links, well done, look, I'm dead clever and I can do that too:

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/tm_headline=how-did-police-footage-of-city--8217-s-worst-hooligan-battle-end-up-on-dvd-&method=full&objectid=18931202&siteid=50061-name_page.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2002/hooligans/diary/tottenham_hotspur.stm

Serious chip on the old shoulder fella - now run along, there must be plenty of other Liverpool FC sites you can sit and read and wind yourself up with.

Anonymous said...

I am a Man United fan from Salford, how can Liverpool fans call anyone else 'bitter', you bastards are the most bitter and nasty supporters in English football, I was an active United fan in the 1980's and I remember the whole Kop singing ' Who's that lying on the runway...' while LFC Stewards looked at us grinning, I remember a scouser in the seats beside us waving a huge polystrene aeroplane with 'Munich 58' wrote on the side - this plane was 6 feet long and it could not have been concealed when the moron brought it through the turnstyle, so you can only presume he was allowed to bring it into Anfield by the smirking Stewards. For years we had you lot laughing about The Munich Air Crash until Hillsborough happened and then you expected the whole footballing world to feel sorry for you. Personally I was delighted when your fans died in agony, at last you would feel the sorrow and grief that we felt in 1958. It still annoys me how scousers blame everyone else for Hillsborough except your own arse-hole fans who stormed the ground without tickets, you've blamed the FA, Sheffield Wednesday FC, The South Yorkshire Police - everyone!! I remember in 1989 you wanted the FA Cup cancelled that year and handed to Liverpool permanantly - you even said Hillsborough should be demolished, that's like United fans in 1958 saying the European Cup should be cancelled and given to us permanantly and Munich Airport should be cancelled - The arrogance of Scousers is unbelievable. Then at the Champions League Final in Athens, Liverpool fans without tickets try to storm into the ground again - It beggars belief ! !

robbohuyton said...

What beggars belief is your comments - you absolute moron. And I quote:

"I was delighted when your fans died in agony"

You're a seriously fucked-up individual, I suggest some kind of psychiatric help.

robbohuyton said...

PS - funny that you should choose to make that post anonymous

Salford John said...

Am I any different from the scumbag with polystyrene plane or the Kopites singing 'Who's That Lying On The Runway' or the Scousers who sat at home sewing flags saying 'MUNICH 58' It's you lot that are full of hatred, if Hillsborough had happened to United your fans would have loved it, I guarantee there would have been songs made up about it within months of it happening.

robbohuyton said...

No - they are scum and so are you - does that make it right to revel in the death of people?

As for bile regarding Hillsborough, I suggest you start doing some reading and get your facts straight. If you can read that is: http://www.hfdinfo.com/

Salford John said...

I also have a mate who is a Bradford City fan who tells me at a Bradford v Liverpool match a few years back Liverpool fans taunted them by holding up lit cigerette lighters in reference to the Bradford fire of 1985, when it comes to sick and bitter hatred the fans of your club are in a league of their own, pure evil.

robbohuyton said...

What's your point? Why have you decided to post this on my blog?

Yes, there are dickheads supporting every club, I'm intelligent enough to acknowledge that. And you are clearly a dickhead that supports Manchester United.

I don't revel in anyone dying in any circumstance, no matter what club they support. Football isn't that important.

Now please end your pathetic attempts to bait me and the Liverpool fans that read this.

Salford John said...

Because I'm sick of the myth that Scousers are lovable, witty, friendly folk, it's a load of crap,

southport toffeeman said...

i hate to agree with a manc but it is true that if liverpool fans without tickets had stayed away from hillsborough that day the deaths would not have happened. why wont yous just accept that. also if liverpool fans had not steamed the juventus fans at heysel then the wall would not have collapsed and the italians would not have died and english clubs would not have been banned from europe and everton could have had two seasons in the old european cup. and i dont know why that manc is moaning about liverpool fans gloating about munich because every club has always sang the munich song, man city were as bad as anyone.

robbohuyton said...

You must think I'm stupid mate - Southport Toffeeman - aka Salford John. Get a life you sad twat.

Salford John / Southport Toffeeman said...

Ha Ha Scousers are not as stupid as I thought, It's a fair cop, good luck for the season.

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for me not matter if Liverpool loses or wins, in the end I will always be a Liverpool supporter, red fan, it is in my blood and it will be there till the day I die, I will never walk alone

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